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2007 Healthy Hall Focus
Group Report - School Counselors and Nurses

The dozen women in this session were impressive in their professionalism and sincerity as they discussed the needs of Hall County school children. It is evident that these counselors and nurses see the best and the worst among the challenges that face Hall County area schools.

Some in this group were life-long Hall County residents, and others were relative newcomers. Yet all have formed a bond not just with the land, but with the people. When asked what they like best about life in Hall County, they said the people here are personal and genuine. Newer residents said they found people to be welcoming and culturally diverse. "People genuinely care for one another," said one.

One woman summed up the good side of life in Hall with one vivid phrase-small pockets of community." There is a lot of variety she said-in the arts, sports and recreation. "There are lots of things for people to do, lots of places to get involved-small pockets of community."

Areas of involvement that are meaningful to this group include the many support programs and services that exist in the community. One participant expressed admiration for the long-term stability of these programs and for the community generosity that support them. "We’ve got a great mentoring program, for example, and it was started 15 years ago!" she remarked.

What Is Going Right In The Schools

In addition the mentoring program, there are other initiatives in the schools that excite these professionals.

A major development is the advent of mental health counselors providing services in the schools. This is unique in Georgia and is a welcome development. Not only are the mental health counselors a resource for the schools, their work there is less threatening and carries less of a stigma than counseling in a clinical or office setting. Parents will go to a therapist at their child’s school when they may be reluctant to go to the mental health center.

Other positive developments include the addition of school nurses at two high schools. There was hope in the room this service can be expanded to all area high schools in the future.

Meeting student needs, especially students who are economically disadvantaged, is important to this group. One participant announced that her school, a Title 1 school, received a grant to offer Suzuki violin instruction to all students in the coming year.

These school leaders also praise efforts to secure schools and improve safety. "I think our schools are the safest they’ve ever been," said one participant.

And What Is Going Wrong

Though it is important to celebrate successes and focus on positives, it is the job of those in this group to deal with the many problems that exist among school children. "People are in the dark about how many kids have intense needs," said one.

What kind of needs? Learning disabilities, handicaps, emotional problems, abuse, neglect, nutritional deficiencies and more. Said one, "I talk to a lot of older people in the community who can’t understand why we need so many people in the central office." She pointed out that many of the children schools work with today would not have been in school, and may not have even been born alive, a generation or two ago. It is a different world today.

School workers worry that older residents of Hall don’t understand the needs of schools today, don’t understand the impact of schools on the county’s growth. Therefore these older residents don’t support the schools’ and their expanding needs.

These counselors worry that their local burden may only get larger as state and federal budgets tighten, threatening mental health and medical programs that support troubled children and their families. They worry the burden, which will not go away, will simply shift 100 percent to the local schools.

Counselors also see the downside of so much emphasis on student testing and efforts to meet the requirements Annual Yearly Progress (AYP). They point out that some schools are evaluated unfairly because they work with a highly transient population. They are tested and evaluated based on the results of students they did not really get much chance to teach.

Disengaged Parents

While school employees may become frustrated meeting the needs of children with limited resources, they grow more frustrated by parents who have resources to nurture their children, but who fail to do so. "Parents are dropping out of their children’s lives earlier and earlier," bemoaned one participant.

These counselors and nurses see parents who are too busy to care about their own children. One cited examples when she has requested a conference with a parent over a child’s difficulties at school. The parent might call and ask if the student can come alone because the parent just doesn’t have time to participate.

Youth Risky Behavior

School counselors see a strong link between distracted parents and youth risky behavior. While the parents are tuned out, their children are experimenting with drugs, alcohol and sex. "I don’t understand how parents can just drop their kids off at the mall," said one, who is also the mother of a teenager. "What can happen at the mall? You would be surprised what can happen at the mall. Girls get pregnant at the mall."

Teen pregnancy is a major concern for schools. "We had 40 pregnancies last year," said one, who added that 40 was actually the number of babies born to students at the local hospital and the actual number of pregnancies is much higher. Higher, in fact, than any nearby county.

"We’ve put together great programs on youth risky behavior," said one woman, "but parents won’t come . . . except for Hispanic parents, they will come."

Like the youth focus group described earlier, this group of adults sees alcohol, drug and sex as major problems among school children. And they are quick to point out that the problems do not start in high school, but in middle school and even elementary school. The magic age to try to attack youth risky behavior is 9 to 12 years of age. Children start to experiment very young, and if you want for the teen years to begin instruction you’ve waited too long.

Counselors report that some parents actually encourage risky experimentation, either by providing alcohol or enabling their children to get into situations for which they are not prepared. These school leaders want to see parents more purposefully involved in their children’s lives and teaching them to resist destructive actions and decisions. "A lot of parents want to be their child’s best friend," said one counselor, "and they won’t say no to them."

School leaders see a growing problem with meth, a drug of choice for many women. Some girls learn to use meth from their mothers. It is a problem that was recently thought to be under control, but is now re-emerging.

12% of Hall 12th graders first tried alcohol by age 13.
23% have used marijuana.
9.3% have used cocaine.
5.7% have used Methamphetamines.

Source: Hall County School System Safe & Drug Free Schools & Communities Report, 2007

Gang Violence

Counselors see gang violence as less of a problem at school, but more of a problem in the community, which in turn affects school performance. They see children as young as elementary school age being pulled into gang activities by older siblings.

Health Issues

School nurses see a growing problem with diabetes among school age children. Virtually every school has multiple diabetics enrolled, which was unheard of a generation ago.

But the biggest health issue may be dental care for those who can’t afford it. "What I struggle with is dental," said one nurse. She told a story about one child with a tooth infection. His mother kept taking him to the hospital emergency room for antibiotics while the nurse tried getting the child into a dentist to get the tooth treated. "The whole scenario took seven months," she said.

15% of those at the lowest income levels in Hall County report their children have not seen a dentist in 2 years, 5 years or longer.
Source: Healthy Hall Community Assessment, 2007

Neurological work-ups are needed for some children, but there is no pediatric neurologist practicing in Hall County.

School counselors and nurses see a growing problem with hyperactivity, especially among boys. One would like to see the problem treated with a new emphasis on physical education. She pointed out there are schools that have had success reducing problems with hyperactivity disorders by letting children run several times a day.

The Greatest Impact

When asked what changes would have the greatest impact on Hall County schools and children, this group offered three major recommendations.

  • The first is to somehow motivate more parents to be aware and get more involved with their children at home and at school.
  • The second idea is to facilitate more communication between school counselors and nurses and pediatricians. While there are confidentiality issues that would have to be overcome, children would be better served if physicians and professionals at school could work on problems in a coordinated manner.
  • The third idea is to reduce emphasis on THE TEST—the annual progress exams that consume not only testing time, but also a lot of teaching time. Less emphasis on standardized testing could open up time and resources to expand physical education and perhaps other important areas of study, such as the arts.

Key Observations From School Counselors and Nurses

  • There is a lot that is going well and right in Hall County schools. Growing needs and demands are being met through some creative solutions. Placing mental health counselors in the schools is one example of meeting needs in new and innovative ways.
  • There is concern that Hall County citizens who are no longer connected personally with the schools—older residents, for example—don’t understand the demands on schools from a booming population and increases in children with special needs.
  • It is difficult to motivate many parents to increase their involvement in children’s lives. Parents are either too busy, too disinterested or they are reluctant to exercise authority with their children. Some parents want their children to think of them as friends, so they are reluctant to discipline or say no.
  • Alcohol, drugs and sexual activity are major problems for youth. These problems can be addressed and reduced, but not without parental involvement.
  • Gangs are a community problem that is affecting life at school. Even if gang activity is suppressed at school its influence is felt. Young children can be pulled into gang activity by older brothers and sisters.
  • Diabetes and dental care are major health concerns visible to school workers. Finding dental care for low-income children can be a lengthy process.
  • There are opportunities for schools and physicians to work together to improve management of children’s health and behavioral problems.
Focus Group Table of Contents

Purpose

African Americans

Community Service Leaders

Latinos

School Counselors & Nurses

Seniors

South Hall

Youth

 

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